There has been quite a bit of speculation on the Internet about the location of this cave. I will not reveal the correct location of the cave at this time, at the request of a team member who is actively going to the site and climbing to the cave we suspect may be the actual cave mentioned in 1909. It is somewhat frustrating for me to be talking about the location at all without detailing how I calculated the correct area back in 1971. I kept silent on the location all those years and I suppose silence awhile longer will not hurt. I can say that the area Kincaid describes is accurate in vertical elevation to within 200 feet and it is accurate in relationship to the geological layers which should and "do" contain cavern systems. I feel that the cave he allegedly discovered in 1908 (he discovered it before the 1909 article was published) is more than likely a modified cavern system that already existed naturally, since for several geological reasons there should be a large cavern system near the area. There is a prominent fault near the area and it is the type of fault which, can be associated with large cavern systems and in another area (upper peninsula Michigan) which has a similar fault, there are associated copper deposits. Arizona is famous for copper deposits (most in southern Arizona, but not "all") and I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a copper deposit near the cave. Ancient Egyptians did mine copper digging extensive tunnels that opened into caves. SEE The Valley of the Ancient Copper Mines, and the 1909 story does mention copper implements discovered in the cave. "War weapons, copper instruments, sharp-edged and hard as steel, indicate the high state of civilization reached by these strange people..." Arizona Gazette 1909 "Hard as steel" could refer to a copper - tin (bronze or variation) metal alloy. The article also alludes to "Egyptian origins". So it could be speculated that there might have been an Egyptian mining operation at the site (or perhaps a small amount of copper mining was done). It is known that certain Egyptian Pharaohs contracted Phoenicians for sailing to areas for access to mineral deposits for mining purposes. Below is an example of the use of copper in Egyptian art. It is also interesting to note that the statue below resembles Buddha. There may have been confusion at the Grand Canyon site in properly identifying the so called "Buddha-like" statue found in the cave, as you can see below this figure "looks like" Buddha. I bring this up because the cave is stated to have both "Egyptian" and "oriental" influences. At the turn of the century the term "oriental" could have encompassed both Tibetan and Egyptian influences. Today the term "oriental" is not generally used for Egypt. Also, it is possible that the "Buddha" (term assumed in 1909) found at the site, may have not been Buddha at all, but a similar Egyptian "scribe" as shown below or the same scribe depicted below. The Seated Scribe Sakkara c. 2620-2350 BC (4th or 5th Dynasty) Painted limestone statue H 53.7 cm; W 44 cm, D 35 cm E 3023 This famous statue was found in the Old Kingdom burial ground at Sakkara, but the identity of the person is lost to us. Doubtless he was someone of importance, judging from the exceptional quality of this statue, remarkable for its treatment of face and body and for the attention given to the eyes inset into copper, We should not be misled by the poised hands, This is not a humble clerk preparing to write. The oldest statues of "scribes" actually depict princes with high political responsibilities, This statue has a particularly striking presence with its original colours, sharp eyes and intelligent expression. from: ArtLex on Egyptian Art - Jack Andrews copyright 2001 may be only used in it's entirety with this notice clearly visible.